Listen to a reading of this article: ❖ Taiwan has been in the news a lot lately, and it's really bringing out the crazy in people. The mass media have been falsely reporting that China has been encroaching on Taiwan's "air defense zone", which gets stretched
…”we really want to slow down China’s rate of innovation…hence we need to work with Europe”
Note-1 -- Well-being of China’s population and human progress in general is of no importance
Note-2: -- The budget the U.S. passed for the 2022 fiscal year, which commenced 1 October, includes $180 billion for research and development in the technologies of the future. This amount is to be spread over eight years, for an annual R&D expenditure of $22.5 billion.
The budget Beijing passed last year provides for annual expenditure on R&D in new technologies of $560 billion—slightly more than triple, each year, what Washington just allotted for eight years or 25X higher per year that of the US…
Americans especially don't have stories about making peace to fall back on, which is why no matter how many "Hitler Invades Poland" type scares they are sold, the propaganda continues to work. If you can't make a crazy appropriation of the Americanized WWII story, or the story of Stalin's gulags/"The Evils of CommunismTM", it might as well have never happened. That's why peace, coexistence, cooperation, as well as things like public health, just aren't in our vocabulary or minds.
America, who willingly pissed all over sections of the Constitution after the relatively light loses sustained on 9/11 as well as immolate hundreds of thousands of innocents, proved its in no shape to accurately gauge the real costs of war, either here or abroad. Nothing's changed since. Americans are a people all too easily stampeded by bad stories and patriotic lollipops.
The only upside I could see to such apocalyptic rambunctiousness with China is that maybe, just maybe, a few of the bastards beating the drums for these sorts of confrontations may for once personally suffer the built-in costs of their actions calculated to be paid by others. I'm well aware that this falls under the category of cold comfort.
I'll say it again: We need a draft. Involve We The People in the process and take it away from our defense contractors and standing mercenaries. Heck, as long as we're dreaming, let's bring those irresponsible dandies -- Congress -- back into the business of declaring war. With the lives of their children on the line parents are more likely to cast a skeptical eye to some profitable dick-wagging in the Taiwan Straight, by way of Washington.
I value your views on this topic, though I don't fully know where I stand on this yet - but you have absolutely accurately captured the crux of the narrative on this topic, particularly comparisons to appeasement of Germany and such.
I do think there is a significant chance of a China/US conflict over Taiwan turning into something involving nuclear weapons - and today we seem to be absent the benefit of the public being extraordinarily fearful of nuclear war, like was the case during the Cold War.
It almost feels as if a nuclear war is a science fiction concept to the average person, today.
To be honest, though - I still feel that it would be appeasing China, to allow Taiwan to be taken - and I could see China invading more of South East Asia, in the future. The historical borders of the various political leaders/groups that can be hand-waved as representing 'China', historically - can easily reach all the way to parts of Europe, and certainly a lot of SE Asia.
My experience of the Chinese style of rhetoric so far - and it's possible those I encounter are agent-provocateur trying to make China look bad, but that's stretching it a bit - is that they have a style of brass authoritarian arrogance (which does not even have the 'lip service' towards upholding ethics/morals that Western imperial arrogance has - the attitude/words are directly more crass, to the point of being tone deaf, even if they haven't had as much opportunity to act on it yet) - and I interpret this as them being game for invading whoever the fuck they like, that once they set their sights on what they want, those who seed their narrative will follow the party line uncritically and with unconcealed arrogance.
So, if that's how things really are, and I'm interpreting that right (I'm just a random layman, so maybe this is all bollocks :)) - then if that is right, it's extremely dangerous to appease that. If it's not nipped in the bud (and Taiwan, being an island far removed from the mainland, is probably the only true opportunity to nip that in the bud) - then I think it only heightens to chances of a new world war and nuclear conflict, as more territories/nations are invaded by China.
No matter what I or anyone else says, it's essential to have strong voices pushing back against any conflict with China over Taiwan, definitely needs more representation - so I'd encourage using any comments like mine to hone superior arguments against that. Ya though, if China is going to instigate something, here (even though it's felt this is within their sphere of influence) - then I do worry that long-term things may become a lot worse/dangerous to deal with if that is allowed to happen, than if it's opposed and stopped at the beginning.
I agree with you in any way possible with what you say about war. And I appreciate to be informed that there seems to be a propaganda war going on to get support for an aggressive political attempt to 'contain' Chinese influence in the Indo-pacific.
I have two not very much connected questions to your report, though.
1. If the comparison of China or its leader and their politics toward Taiwan can't be done without exaggeration, when compared to 'Hitler s' attack on Poland in 1939, and so is a propaganda trick to get support for a military action against China, could this not mean that the accusation of 'Hitler' in 1939 was a similar or the same propaganda trick to get support for the Anglo-Saxon imperial project to conquer Europe? Which Britain and the USA then indeed did to the successfull accomplishment of the mission?
2. You seem to suggest, that China indeed has the intention to 'unite' with Taiwan, even against the collective will of its population, and you seem to say that if China indeed forced this union by whatever means against the will of the population of Taiwan, you would not regard this to be a violent action that cannot be allowed, but only the natural and harmless wish to unite itself with a part that was separated from China by a civil war, an inner problem of China. So it would not be worth to make this a military conflict, since China would be content to get back what 'belongs' to it anyway. But what does 'belong' mean here? Isn't this aggressive nationalism, even if the population of the homecoming isle would give in to this wish of a longing partner waiting for the lost kid to come home?
Wouldn't this be propaganda as well?
Remember, that 'Hitler' claimed that he had enough of polish bandits massacring people of German ethnicity in Poland and promoting riots in Danzig to provoke Germany and to draw Britain and France into the war, according to the 'Nibelungentreue' they had sworn to Polish war mongeteres, who boasted, they would take Berlin in two days, and that this was the reason for the decision to intervene in Poland in the face of the consequences, that had to be borne by the people of Britain and France.
So, since my attention is before everything else directed against being duped by anyone's propaganda, and since the option is so clearly against what made Europe a colony of Anglo-Saxon conquest, followed by the intellectual colonialism of the English language intellectual products and advertising models inclusive the propaganda machines developed in the 20ties in the US, I will not follow your or anyone's commendations here, while I think it is in accord with democratic standards to hear what the people of Taiwan have to say to their case, and as I understand it, until it is revealed as another propaganda trick, when I will opt out of everything and stop to care for whatever happens to whom why and when as long as I must not be concerned about it.
And why should I. If everything is propaganda in the end, or at least cannot be discerned from it reliably, I give a damn for whatever political project.
You all should see that the inundation with an opportunistic rhetoric without clear cut connection to an identifiable notion of truth will in the end kill you all. It's
Among the anti-China rhetoric I have seen is the Chinese buying Smithfield food products without considering what would likely happen if an American interest bought it, which might divest the company so they could raise and process pigs overseas and make more money. The fact that the Chinese are willing to invest and keep manufacturing and farming intact in the US should be seen as a good thing and I saw nothing in the article to suggest there was anything underhanded in their intent.
It's the Taiwanese and Chinese that would suffer greatly in a limited conventional war. a few Aussies and Yanka and Brits and others from the Nato club would die, but nothing compared to what would happen when missiles start to fly across the strait.
I love most of your stuff. Your views on China are preposterous. I wouldn't want to go to war with China over Taiwan. But their wanting to take over the world and ruin everyone's lives? That's right on the money. I'd go to war with them, pre-emptively, any day of the week. Would be a whole lot easier if something had destroyed social cohesion, mutilated the emotional resilience of their health care workers, ravaged their lands with floods, gutted their reputation by baiting state media into underplaying flood deaths, crippled their energy system, and poisoned their soldiers. Now THAT would be a pre-emptive strike.
Gina Raimondo, Biden administration’s commerce secretary (int’w with CNBC – Sept. 28, 2021):
…”we really want to slow down China’s rate of innovation…hence we need to work with Europe”
Note-1 -- Well-being of China’s population and human progress in general is of no importance
Note-2: -- The budget the U.S. passed for the 2022 fiscal year, which commenced 1 October, includes $180 billion for research and development in the technologies of the future. This amount is to be spread over eight years, for an annual R&D expenditure of $22.5 billion.
The budget Beijing passed last year provides for annual expenditure on R&D in new technologies of $560 billion—slightly more than triple, each year, what Washington just allotted for eight years or 25X higher per year that of the US…
Americans especially don't have stories about making peace to fall back on, which is why no matter how many "Hitler Invades Poland" type scares they are sold, the propaganda continues to work. If you can't make a crazy appropriation of the Americanized WWII story, or the story of Stalin's gulags/"The Evils of CommunismTM", it might as well have never happened. That's why peace, coexistence, cooperation, as well as things like public health, just aren't in our vocabulary or minds.
America, who willingly pissed all over sections of the Constitution after the relatively light loses sustained on 9/11 as well as immolate hundreds of thousands of innocents, proved its in no shape to accurately gauge the real costs of war, either here or abroad. Nothing's changed since. Americans are a people all too easily stampeded by bad stories and patriotic lollipops.
The only upside I could see to such apocalyptic rambunctiousness with China is that maybe, just maybe, a few of the bastards beating the drums for these sorts of confrontations may for once personally suffer the built-in costs of their actions calculated to be paid by others. I'm well aware that this falls under the category of cold comfort.
I'll say it again: We need a draft. Involve We The People in the process and take it away from our defense contractors and standing mercenaries. Heck, as long as we're dreaming, let's bring those irresponsible dandies -- Congress -- back into the business of declaring war. With the lives of their children on the line parents are more likely to cast a skeptical eye to some profitable dick-wagging in the Taiwan Straight, by way of Washington.
I value your views on this topic, though I don't fully know where I stand on this yet - but you have absolutely accurately captured the crux of the narrative on this topic, particularly comparisons to appeasement of Germany and such.
I do think there is a significant chance of a China/US conflict over Taiwan turning into something involving nuclear weapons - and today we seem to be absent the benefit of the public being extraordinarily fearful of nuclear war, like was the case during the Cold War.
It almost feels as if a nuclear war is a science fiction concept to the average person, today.
To be honest, though - I still feel that it would be appeasing China, to allow Taiwan to be taken - and I could see China invading more of South East Asia, in the future. The historical borders of the various political leaders/groups that can be hand-waved as representing 'China', historically - can easily reach all the way to parts of Europe, and certainly a lot of SE Asia.
My experience of the Chinese style of rhetoric so far - and it's possible those I encounter are agent-provocateur trying to make China look bad, but that's stretching it a bit - is that they have a style of brass authoritarian arrogance (which does not even have the 'lip service' towards upholding ethics/morals that Western imperial arrogance has - the attitude/words are directly more crass, to the point of being tone deaf, even if they haven't had as much opportunity to act on it yet) - and I interpret this as them being game for invading whoever the fuck they like, that once they set their sights on what they want, those who seed their narrative will follow the party line uncritically and with unconcealed arrogance.
So, if that's how things really are, and I'm interpreting that right (I'm just a random layman, so maybe this is all bollocks :)) - then if that is right, it's extremely dangerous to appease that. If it's not nipped in the bud (and Taiwan, being an island far removed from the mainland, is probably the only true opportunity to nip that in the bud) - then I think it only heightens to chances of a new world war and nuclear conflict, as more territories/nations are invaded by China.
No matter what I or anyone else says, it's essential to have strong voices pushing back against any conflict with China over Taiwan, definitely needs more representation - so I'd encourage using any comments like mine to hone superior arguments against that. Ya though, if China is going to instigate something, here (even though it's felt this is within their sphere of influence) - then I do worry that long-term things may become a lot worse/dangerous to deal with if that is allowed to happen, than if it's opposed and stopped at the beginning.
"Taiwan is where the Gulf of Tonkin is! They're going to attack us again! You need to learn your history, man!"
Leni Riefenstahl would be proud to see all the bullshit Americans believe today.
DNC and Deep State are playing us like a violin.
They like and NEED the incompetent clown Trump to stay on political stage -- the only way they will remain in power.
So many factual errors. So many distortions of reality. So much concentrated delusions. Far too much effort involved in debunking your lunacy.
If I get another answer of this Niveau from you I delete RT from my device.
I agree with you in any way possible with what you say about war. And I appreciate to be informed that there seems to be a propaganda war going on to get support for an aggressive political attempt to 'contain' Chinese influence in the Indo-pacific.
I have two not very much connected questions to your report, though.
1. If the comparison of China or its leader and their politics toward Taiwan can't be done without exaggeration, when compared to 'Hitler s' attack on Poland in 1939, and so is a propaganda trick to get support for a military action against China, could this not mean that the accusation of 'Hitler' in 1939 was a similar or the same propaganda trick to get support for the Anglo-Saxon imperial project to conquer Europe? Which Britain and the USA then indeed did to the successfull accomplishment of the mission?
2. You seem to suggest, that China indeed has the intention to 'unite' with Taiwan, even against the collective will of its population, and you seem to say that if China indeed forced this union by whatever means against the will of the population of Taiwan, you would not regard this to be a violent action that cannot be allowed, but only the natural and harmless wish to unite itself with a part that was separated from China by a civil war, an inner problem of China. So it would not be worth to make this a military conflict, since China would be content to get back what 'belongs' to it anyway. But what does 'belong' mean here? Isn't this aggressive nationalism, even if the population of the homecoming isle would give in to this wish of a longing partner waiting for the lost kid to come home?
Wouldn't this be propaganda as well?
Remember, that 'Hitler' claimed that he had enough of polish bandits massacring people of German ethnicity in Poland and promoting riots in Danzig to provoke Germany and to draw Britain and France into the war, according to the 'Nibelungentreue' they had sworn to Polish war mongeteres, who boasted, they would take Berlin in two days, and that this was the reason for the decision to intervene in Poland in the face of the consequences, that had to be borne by the people of Britain and France.
So, since my attention is before everything else directed against being duped by anyone's propaganda, and since the option is so clearly against what made Europe a colony of Anglo-Saxon conquest, followed by the intellectual colonialism of the English language intellectual products and advertising models inclusive the propaganda machines developed in the 20ties in the US, I will not follow your or anyone's commendations here, while I think it is in accord with democratic standards to hear what the people of Taiwan have to say to their case, and as I understand it, until it is revealed as another propaganda trick, when I will opt out of everything and stop to care for whatever happens to whom why and when as long as I must not be concerned about it.
And why should I. If everything is propaganda in the end, or at least cannot be discerned from it reliably, I give a damn for whatever political project.
You all should see that the inundation with an opportunistic rhetoric without clear cut connection to an identifiable notion of truth will in the end kill you all. It's
Athens before its crash.
With or without us, peace will come.
Among the anti-China rhetoric I have seen is the Chinese buying Smithfield food products without considering what would likely happen if an American interest bought it, which might divest the company so they could raise and process pigs overseas and make more money. The fact that the Chinese are willing to invest and keep manufacturing and farming intact in the US should be seen as a good thing and I saw nothing in the article to suggest there was anything underhanded in their intent.
Is the paradigm too big for American brains? Is the propaganda that effective? Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize. Enough said.
It's the Taiwanese and Chinese that would suffer greatly in a limited conventional war. a few Aussies and Yanka and Brits and others from the Nato club would die, but nothing compared to what would happen when missiles start to fly across the strait.
I love most of your stuff. Your views on China are preposterous. I wouldn't want to go to war with China over Taiwan. But their wanting to take over the world and ruin everyone's lives? That's right on the money. I'd go to war with them, pre-emptively, any day of the week. Would be a whole lot easier if something had destroyed social cohesion, mutilated the emotional resilience of their health care workers, ravaged their lands with floods, gutted their reputation by baiting state media into underplaying flood deaths, crippled their energy system, and poisoned their soldiers. Now THAT would be a pre-emptive strike.
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