Listen to a reading of this article: Australian media are awash with reporting on the war-with-China propaganda series by The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age that I've been writing about for the last few days. Which is really quite extraordinary, because it's not an actual news story.
Göring: Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece?
Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.
Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.
Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.
• In an interview with Gilbert in Göring's jail cell during the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials (18 April 1946)
I have to say it because this is where we are in the US, "They will do it Anyway"! The Warmongering Whores in control of your government are the same filth as are in control of ours. They commit crimes right out in the open, make laws against us, violate our constitution and the heads filled with the propaganda of years just continue to bob. There is not going to be a pleasant way out of this. They are Sociopaths and violence is always their answer.
This tactic to limit or shutdown comments entirely on articles and posts created to shape a narrative is now the norm. From the big legacy news outlets such as NYT, Wapo, and LA Times, to social media accounts, it’s become almost a trope that if comments are limited or suspended, one knows this is a signal that whatever opinion or news piece is official dogma from the regime.
Dear Caitlin—I sincerely hope your country does institute national service—there’s nothing like it for waking up the people! I wish we had a draft. People are always asking where did our American Anti-war movement go? It went the way of the draft. People everywhere are selfish and self centered—they don’t do anything until THEIR ox is gored. Start the draft and WATCH them pour into the streets.
Thank you !! An Empire of Lies as intelligent Putin calls it. All masks are falling - we live in a bipartisan fascist country.
-- Russia-gate immense 5-year long hoax – directly led to “unprovoked” tragedy in Ukraine (as an independent state Ukraine disappeared in 2014 -- its Nazi-dominated government is a US puppet)
-- US terrorist attack on a key Germany’s infrastructure – a step to end of NATO and EU
-- Twitter Files censorship revelations – an exponentially larger crime that Watergate
-- Jan. 6 DNC/FBI choreographed hoax
-- US lab designed Covid virus and the resulting economic and human catastrophe
"Australia's biggest security problem is that our government and media have been captured by the US military industrial complex."
We need to set a goal that this comment is posted a hundred times a day on a hundred articles with comment boxes until every person in Australia internalizes its truth and wisdom.
And then we need to do the same through out the western world with a slight change of the first word... "Germany's biggest security problem is..." "The UK's biggest security problem is...." "The US's biggest security problem is..."
Propaganda works vey well. The effect is tied into the lemmings phenomenon - or go with the crowd, even if it's headed toward a cliff. The immense suffering of Ukrainians and destruction of their country is convincing testimony, all on its own. Colonel MacGregor believes perhaps at least half the population has been killed, wounded, or left. Yet the West that considers itself morally superior, keeps flogging away at war, and "beating" the Russians. It manifests in what is a criminal organization pretending to be a purely defence organization when it is clearly offensive, and follows no rules except those of expedience: NATO. No Alternative To Oblivion. But at some point the propaganda bullhorns must lose their power - the truth is no longer deniable. At that point many Western "leaders" will have to account for their reprehensible actions.
It is really sad that propaganda works so well. It is the methodology of the war mongering media. The same tactics cults use to manufacture consent. Peer pressure, insults, dismisal of valid dissent, and patriotism are all forms of it.
Why do I say it's sad? Well, it is blatantly obvious, the same predictible tactics over and over. Oddly, part of the extreme repetition is also what makes them so effective. Repeated exposure really does put some under its influence.
You pointed out a 6 percent drop in 2 years in Australia was because they were slammed with propaganda. That's now a narrow majority of people against the war...It needs to move in the other direction, which is what you are making your best efforts to accomplish.
Who does the war benefit? Not the every day person on either side. It is the oligarchs and war mongering corporate entities. To incite fear in people is the one aspect. Fear on the unknown persons hurting them. Russia and China are conspiring to hurt US citizens...Funny that people believe that obsurdity.
The people of the United States are largely ignorant of the reality of the world(its affairs) because our governments keep most isolated. We boarder two countries, Mexico and Canada. You will hear largely the same steretypical views about either country. Ask most about European countries, they draw blanks.
The only thing I disagree with is that I really do think they manufacture consent for fun, in a sociopathic pleasure. Of course the reasons you outline are completely valid, just that I don't think the war mongers are remotely close to normal people. Taking a certain satisfaction and glee in doing these things.
We may well be reaching the point where the empire governments will not care about how people feel about what they are doing and what they plan to do. They might just start doing it and worry about the consequences later. That's what they did with covid restrictions; it didn't matter whether or not populations agreed with or supported those totalitarian measures; they took them anyway, at the point of a gun. Won't it be just as easy in the future to wage a war if they are successful in hiding what they're doing?
This is exactly right - pearls of wisdom like this are why I read here:
"If our rulers just started acting directly against the will of the people without first psychologically pulling the wool over our eyes using propaganda, they'd have a revolution on their hands in short order."
We were reminded of the words of Vaclev Havel, who wrote that, to live in truth:
"… you do not become a “dissident” just because you decide one day to take up this most unusual career. You are thrown into it by your personal sense of responsibility, combined with a complex set of external circumstances. You are cast out of the existing structures and placed in a position of conflict with them. It begins as an attempt to do your work well, and ends with being branded an enemy of society. […]
By breaking the rules of the game, he has disrupted the game as such. He has exposed it as a mere game. He has shattered the world of appearances, the fundamental pillar of the system. He has upset the power structure by tearing apart what holds it together. He has demonstrated that living a lie is living a lie. He has broken through the exalted facade of the system and exposed the real, base foundations of power. He has said that the emperor is naked. And because the emperor is in fact naked, something extremely dangerous has happened: by his action, the greengrocer has addressed the world. He has enabled everyone to peer behind the curtain. He has shown everyone that it is possible to live within the truth. Living within the lie can constitute the system only if it is universal. The principle must embrace and permeate everything. There are no terms whatsoever on which it can co-exist with living within the truth, and therefore everyone who steps out of line denies it in principle and threatens it in its entirety."
It's SO cool, here in the States. It's just another way to suck-up, like Ukrainian flag, blue wave & hypodermic syringe icons on Twitter, designating drooling imbeciles, sneeringly brainwashed churl maskless mouth-breathers & speciously obsequious PMC, yuppie boomers. If we don't BELIEVE, we're with the commie ter'istz!
I was persuaded that governments used the lies because of our gullibility and because they could - for instance in the JFK assignation and 9/11 - but Johnstone suggests it is not merely schadenfreude, it is necessary to govern. I agree.
I have OCD on this most related topic; watch it once and I imagine you will too. Just as every thinking adult should, imvso: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FjgBBQFmGs 25 min. video
The poll with the change from 57% to 51% is indeed very revealing of the mentality of the false political elite that governs in our democracies submitted to the USA. They don't want to be legitimate, they just want the approval of 50% +1 of the voters. By the way, not even of the voters but of a public opinion fabricated by the polling institutes. Normally, with the Internet, one could imagine that freedom of opinion would be more extensive than before, but it is exactly the opposite that happens: as the Internet in the West is in the hands of American giants under the orders of their government, everything is done to silence divergent opinions. In France, laws have even been passed to criminalize those opinions that follow the government line. Propaganda is in full swing, creating a cacophony in which authorized voices can be heard.
What is disturbing is that even with educated people, it is difficult to challenge the dominant thinking.
Gravity, other than the seriousness and utmost importance of the situation, has nothing to do it. It's density of the propaganda vs the buoyancy of the truth.
Can anyone here refer me to those working on organizing communication and organizing networks once the current internet is taken down?
It seems just a matter of time before they get more aggressive than surveillance, limiting comments, censorship, and taking down individual accounts. Governments have already done so. The writing is on the wall. How will people respond to a total shutdown?
Göring: Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece?
Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.
Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.
Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.
• In an interview with Gilbert in Göring's jail cell during the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials (18 April 1946)
I have to say it because this is where we are in the US, "They will do it Anyway"! The Warmongering Whores in control of your government are the same filth as are in control of ours. They commit crimes right out in the open, make laws against us, violate our constitution and the heads filled with the propaganda of years just continue to bob. There is not going to be a pleasant way out of this. They are Sociopaths and violence is always their answer.
This tactic to limit or shutdown comments entirely on articles and posts created to shape a narrative is now the norm. From the big legacy news outlets such as NYT, Wapo, and LA Times, to social media accounts, it’s become almost a trope that if comments are limited or suspended, one knows this is a signal that whatever opinion or news piece is official dogma from the regime.
Dear Caitlin—I sincerely hope your country does institute national service—there’s nothing like it for waking up the people! I wish we had a draft. People are always asking where did our American Anti-war movement go? It went the way of the draft. People everywhere are selfish and self centered—they don’t do anything until THEIR ox is gored. Start the draft and WATCH them pour into the streets.
Thank you !! An Empire of Lies as intelligent Putin calls it. All masks are falling - we live in a bipartisan fascist country.
-- Russia-gate immense 5-year long hoax – directly led to “unprovoked” tragedy in Ukraine (as an independent state Ukraine disappeared in 2014 -- its Nazi-dominated government is a US puppet)
-- US terrorist attack on a key Germany’s infrastructure – a step to end of NATO and EU
-- Twitter Files censorship revelations – an exponentially larger crime that Watergate
-- Jan. 6 DNC/FBI choreographed hoax
-- US lab designed Covid virus and the resulting economic and human catastrophe
-- Ukraine is President Obama's war -- https://youtu.be/3pM09HfqHcw
In summary -- Biden and his entire administration are -- deeply corrupt criminals; there is no other way to describe them.
This wins internet comment of the year:
"Australia's biggest security problem is that our government and media have been captured by the US military industrial complex."
We need to set a goal that this comment is posted a hundred times a day on a hundred articles with comment boxes until every person in Australia internalizes its truth and wisdom.
And then we need to do the same through out the western world with a slight change of the first word... "Germany's biggest security problem is..." "The UK's biggest security problem is...." "The US's biggest security problem is..."
Propaganda works vey well. The effect is tied into the lemmings phenomenon - or go with the crowd, even if it's headed toward a cliff. The immense suffering of Ukrainians and destruction of their country is convincing testimony, all on its own. Colonel MacGregor believes perhaps at least half the population has been killed, wounded, or left. Yet the West that considers itself morally superior, keeps flogging away at war, and "beating" the Russians. It manifests in what is a criminal organization pretending to be a purely defence organization when it is clearly offensive, and follows no rules except those of expedience: NATO. No Alternative To Oblivion. But at some point the propaganda bullhorns must lose their power - the truth is no longer deniable. At that point many Western "leaders" will have to account for their reprehensible actions.
It is really sad that propaganda works so well. It is the methodology of the war mongering media. The same tactics cults use to manufacture consent. Peer pressure, insults, dismisal of valid dissent, and patriotism are all forms of it.
Why do I say it's sad? Well, it is blatantly obvious, the same predictible tactics over and over. Oddly, part of the extreme repetition is also what makes them so effective. Repeated exposure really does put some under its influence.
You pointed out a 6 percent drop in 2 years in Australia was because they were slammed with propaganda. That's now a narrow majority of people against the war...It needs to move in the other direction, which is what you are making your best efforts to accomplish.
Who does the war benefit? Not the every day person on either side. It is the oligarchs and war mongering corporate entities. To incite fear in people is the one aspect. Fear on the unknown persons hurting them. Russia and China are conspiring to hurt US citizens...Funny that people believe that obsurdity.
The people of the United States are largely ignorant of the reality of the world(its affairs) because our governments keep most isolated. We boarder two countries, Mexico and Canada. You will hear largely the same steretypical views about either country. Ask most about European countries, they draw blanks.
The only thing I disagree with is that I really do think they manufacture consent for fun, in a sociopathic pleasure. Of course the reasons you outline are completely valid, just that I don't think the war mongers are remotely close to normal people. Taking a certain satisfaction and glee in doing these things.
We may well be reaching the point where the empire governments will not care about how people feel about what they are doing and what they plan to do. They might just start doing it and worry about the consequences later. That's what they did with covid restrictions; it didn't matter whether or not populations agreed with or supported those totalitarian measures; they took them anyway, at the point of a gun. Won't it be just as easy in the future to wage a war if they are successful in hiding what they're doing?
This is exactly right - pearls of wisdom like this are why I read here:
"If our rulers just started acting directly against the will of the people without first psychologically pulling the wool over our eyes using propaganda, they'd have a revolution on their hands in short order."
We were reminded of the words of Vaclev Havel, who wrote that, to live in truth:
"… you do not become a “dissident” just because you decide one day to take up this most unusual career. You are thrown into it by your personal sense of responsibility, combined with a complex set of external circumstances. You are cast out of the existing structures and placed in a position of conflict with them. It begins as an attempt to do your work well, and ends with being branded an enemy of society. […]
By breaking the rules of the game, he has disrupted the game as such. He has exposed it as a mere game. He has shattered the world of appearances, the fundamental pillar of the system. He has upset the power structure by tearing apart what holds it together. He has demonstrated that living a lie is living a lie. He has broken through the exalted facade of the system and exposed the real, base foundations of power. He has said that the emperor is naked. And because the emperor is in fact naked, something extremely dangerous has happened: by his action, the greengrocer has addressed the world. He has enabled everyone to peer behind the curtain. He has shown everyone that it is possible to live within the truth. Living within the lie can constitute the system only if it is universal. The principle must embrace and permeate everything. There are no terms whatsoever on which it can co-exist with living within the truth, and therefore everyone who steps out of line denies it in principle and threatens it in its entirety."
It's SO cool, here in the States. It's just another way to suck-up, like Ukrainian flag, blue wave & hypodermic syringe icons on Twitter, designating drooling imbeciles, sneeringly brainwashed churl maskless mouth-breathers & speciously obsequious PMC, yuppie boomers. If we don't BELIEVE, we're with the commie ter'istz!
I was persuaded that governments used the lies because of our gullibility and because they could - for instance in the JFK assignation and 9/11 - but Johnstone suggests it is not merely schadenfreude, it is necessary to govern. I agree.
I have OCD on this most related topic; watch it once and I imagine you will too. Just as every thinking adult should, imvso: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FjgBBQFmGs 25 min. video
The poll with the change from 57% to 51% is indeed very revealing of the mentality of the false political elite that governs in our democracies submitted to the USA. They don't want to be legitimate, they just want the approval of 50% +1 of the voters. By the way, not even of the voters but of a public opinion fabricated by the polling institutes. Normally, with the Internet, one could imagine that freedom of opinion would be more extensive than before, but it is exactly the opposite that happens: as the Internet in the West is in the hands of American giants under the orders of their government, everything is done to silence divergent opinions. In France, laws have even been passed to criminalize those opinions that follow the government line. Propaganda is in full swing, creating a cacophony in which authorized voices can be heard.
What is disturbing is that even with educated people, it is difficult to challenge the dominant thinking.
Gravity, other than the seriousness and utmost importance of the situation, has nothing to do it. It's density of the propaganda vs the buoyancy of the truth.
Can anyone here refer me to those working on organizing communication and organizing networks once the current internet is taken down?
It seems just a matter of time before they get more aggressive than surveillance, limiting comments, censorship, and taking down individual accounts. Governments have already done so. The writing is on the wall. How will people respond to a total shutdown?